supra fog light instalation via 4lbs sledge ;)

[4x4wagon]

like the title says, I used a 4lbs sledge to 'finess' the bumper to fit the fog lights where the turn signals use to be. converted the lights near the headlamps as the turn signals with different bulbs, going to be painting the lens amber shortly.


before pics




first test fit

[Neu]

I like them, they look good.

How bright are they, can we get night pics?

Also, did you change the old ambers to be blinkers? I've been thinking about doing it.

[garyfish]

nice look...




some years ago, I acquired some amber-colored translucent tape (and red too) for repairing broken taillights... haven't seen it for a while, but I know it's around

[4x4wagon]

they are quite bright. E11 stamped, very good light output. will get night pics tonight, I have to go into town and get my Toyota battery charged. will update later. Also, I think I figured out what's wrong with the camera, so maybe some clearer pics hopefully.

in the mean time, here are some pics of them lit up on my Legend.




parking light




fog light




all on





I had those on my Legend for a while untill I got these from a Prelude (I have also since replaced the yellow fogs in the headlights with projector fogs, and also the headlights with projectors)









in case it isn't obvious, I'm pretty anal about automotive lighting. I'm going to be installing an LED high mount stop light on the 4Runner and the Terc soon enough too.

[ARCHINSTL]

Nice, integrated, appearance!
Are they wired directly to the batttery - and how did you rig the switch?
For those of us who are - uhh - electrically challenged, how about posting a diagram of the wiring to change the parking lamps and/or amber corner lamps to be blinkers? Kinda like what I did for the Horn Wiring thread in Repair Guides.
It seems that someone converted the parking lamps to be turn signals, but I could not find the thread.
Also, what is the sourcing info/model number of the lights?
Tom M.
P.S. I like your grille - I painted mine all black, too.

[scotisha]

Looking great! Now I have to track down some Supra fog lites . How do you have it wired up if there are 2 lites in the lamp assembly? Switches for each?

I too would like to see a "Make your park lamps turn signals" write up too.

[Petros]

looks nice, the bumper should protect the lights well, except perhaps from flying stones.

Did you give the metal part of the bumper a good coat of Rust-o-lium paint before you put the cover back on? That should slow down the bumper's inevitable returning back to the earth.

[4x4wagon]

there are three wires coming from the fog lights, one ground, and a positive for the fogs, and positive for the park lights. the ground and park light positive are hooked into the parking light wiring on the car, the fog lights I am going to wire into a switch inside the car with the power coming from the headlight switch with a relay in between to give them the proper power.

I will get full detailed instructions and wiring diagrams for everybody as soon as I'm finished. atm I need a few bulbs and as stated earlier, my battery back from the shop. I dropped it off yesterday to be charged, going to pick it up here at 2. expect an update shortly.

I also have another surprise for everybody. here is a teaser for the time being :p





and just for the record, this is the Supra I got the fogs from

[ARCHINSTL]

Is the teaser a sunroof from a car that has a carpeted roof instead of a vinyl-covered roof?

Seriously - a big Thanks for doing the electrical diagram - I can do a lot of things, but electricity has always ranked up there with E = mc2 to me.
Tom M.

[4x4wagon]

No, it's not a sunroof, but you're on the right track with that headliner business.

Just got everything working again, I took the tank off last week to clean all the crud and 10 year old fuel out of it, and forgot to hook the fuel lines back up.. but everything works now. I will try to get some pics this weekend. Like I said, I have to get some more bulbs for them.



btw, anybody selling a T4wd exhaust near me? lol

[Ron B.]

FYI, the T3.25 bulbs that are used in the parking and side marker lights are #194 which are 14 volt, 3.8 watt bulbs. Turn signal lamps, stop light lamps and backup lamps are 27 watts. There are no T3.25 wedge base bulbs over 11 watts that I am aware of.

Converting your present parking lamps for directional use would require different sockets to allow for the proper wattage bulbs. But I doubt the parking lamp housings and lenses could take the heat.

There may be LED arrays with sufficient lumens using the T3.25 base but they would require a heat sink to dissipate any heat that might melt the housing or lens. Yes, LED get that hot. How hot? The Audi R8 now has LED headlights and they require cooling fans.

[4x4wagon]

well there are bulbs that can be used with the current sockets and are bright enough to be used for turn signals. I forget the number of the bulb, but they are used as high mount stop lamps on Cavaliers with spoilers, and Dodge neons. They cause the lgihts to blink faster than normal, but not as fast as they would with a burnt out bulb. They are not available in amber, so they would require the lens to be painted with translucent amber paint. I have fitted sockets using an amber wedge bulbs from my Cavalier. It's not a great fit, I would like to have had a housing that used these sockets to mate them into the back of my lights. The biggest downside to this is that they won't fit inside the headlight bucket, and require the bucket to be bent/cut to make room for the larger housings.

I'm going to have to work out the details, and this may require installing a resistor to make the lights flash at the right pace. LEDs will cause a fast blink, most aftermarket light housings are made with resistors so they blink correctly. Also, LEDs are cooler than normal bulbs at this brightness. The R8 three very large very high powered LEDs for the headlights. normal LEDs this size are much cooler than a normal incandecent bulb.



aaaanyways. Here are some pics of the lights fully installed and operational. (I say fully installed, I still have to drill holes into the bumper to use proper hardware to mount them, right now they are held on with zip ties, so they are not quite sitting right inside the bumper.)









^^ Also did you notice, I removed the side trim ^_^ vv









Does this help at all as to what my surprise is?

[Ron B.]

well there are bulbs that can be used with the current sockets and are bright enough to be used for turn signals. I forget the number of the bulb, but they are used as high mount stop lamps on Cavaliers with spoilers, and Dodge neons. They cause the lgihts to blink faster than normal, but not as fast as they would with a burnt out bulb. They are not available in amber, so they would require the lens to be painted with translucent amber paint. I have fitted sockets using an amber wedge bulbs from my Cavalier. It's not a great fit, I would like to have had a housing that used these sockets to mate them into the back of my lights. The biggest downside to this is that they won't fit inside the headlight bucket, and require the bucket to be bent/cut to make room for the larger housings.

I'm going to have to work out the details, and this may require installing a resistor to make the lights flash at the right pace. LEDs will cause a fast blink, most aftermarket light housings are made with resistors so they blink correctly. Also, LEDs are cooler than normal bulbs at this brightness. The R8 three very large very high powered LEDs for the headlights. normal LEDs this size are much cooler than a normal incandecent bulb....

What do you consider "bright enough?" The bulb with the greatest output (11 watts) in a T3.25 wedge base is less than half the required brightness.

A flasher will cycle slower, not faster, with a burned out filament.

Almost all automobile marker and parking lamps are available with amber coatings. Where are you going to buy amber bulb dye that doesn't cook when heated by high-wattage bulbs?

You don't use resistors to correct flasher rates when using LED replacements. They make specific flashers for that purpose.

Yes, LEDs are cooler than incandescent bulbs with tungsten filaments but they get hot when they are high output. There must be a way of dissipating the heat or the LEDs will fry.

The R8 does not use three high powered LEDs for the headlights. They use twenty-four per headlight and only for the lowbeam at that.

[4x4wagon]

On these cars, as with almost all new cars, the way their flasher system is set up, they blink faster when a bulb is burnt out. Go try this, unplug a turn signal on your wagon (this will not work with the Fiero as it's got a different type of flasher) and turn on the signal (that is assuming it's got enough of the interior left to do so lol)


these are the bulbs I'm talking about




I'm not talking about an amber tint for the bulb, that would just burn off. I'm talking about tint for the lens.

like this stuff

[Ron B.]

....(that is assuming it's got enough of the interior left to do so lol)

What is that supposed to mean? What is so funny? My '88 Fiero looks like a brand new car inside and out. I bought it with fewer than 3,000 miles on it five years ago and it now has 22k miles on it. I don't own beaters....never have....never will.
http://1988fiero.blogspot.com/
http://tinyurl.com/88FieroPix

Does the bulb that you have pictured have a T3.25 wedge base? If so, will it fit behind the lens? Is it 27 watts?